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Glenn Beck- A Mormon Pre-Post-Modernist?

So I am a little confused.  Mormonism claims that the Church went screwy by the end of the 1st century probably and in the 2nd century certainly.  It disappeared institutionally until Joseph Smith was shown the truth by God and then he recovered the Church as a visible institution.  So Glenn Beck as a faithful Mormon (at least from his own accounts he is trying to be faithful and his word is good enough for me) would seem to believe at least implicitly that Mormonism is the true religion and all other religions are false.  It should be noted however that there is no eternal hell in Mormon theology, so who gives if they’re right and we’re wrong.  But still there is the question of truth and the law of the excluded middle. Mormonism does claim that only faithful Mormons will enjoy the equivalent of what Catholics call the Beatific Vision (though that is a stretch given the perfection of God in Catholic theology and the celebrated imperfection of God in Mormon theology).  So either Mormonism is true or it is false.  Now where does Glenn Beck fall into the mix?

On his radio program yesterday (Tues. May 22) during the second hour Beck verbally smacked James Dobson around for saying that he wasn’t sure if Fred Thompson was Christian enough.  (NOTE: Apparently Dobson called during he 3rd hour to clarify his comments, but I missed it- what he said or didn’t say is not the point.  The point is what Beck thought he said and then what his response was to Dobson.)  Beck began to wonder aloud who appointed Dobson as judge over who is or isn’t Christian enough.  While I asked the same question in my mind (rhetorically of course), I didn’t go where Beck went after that.  He then began to wonder, aloud again, where he had heard something like that before… “where have I heard this before… where have I… OHH!  I remember!  The extremist Islamic terrorists! ‘You’re not Muslim enough so we are going to kill you’.” [Quoted from my memory- not exact- also not willing to pay the outlandish price to download audio of his program from his site.]  You know that reminds me of another religious institution that has the nerve to forbid certain persons to receive the Eucharist… just can’t… quite remember… something about… mortal sins… unbelievers can’t receive… Gosh what is this group of bigots and extremists called? what institution could do such a thing… OH!!  I remember!

My mother, the Church.

It’s scary, but it is more and more likely that we will be persecuted and maybe even martyred for our fidelity to Church and Christ.  And the persecution will come from the our religious and conservative allies… not so much from the left.  So much for ecumenism… its going to kill us.

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May 23, 2007 - Posted by | Politics, Religion

5 Comments »

  1. “And the persecution will come from the our religious and conservative allies… not so much from the left. So much for ecumenism… its going to kill us.”

    Interesting. From a Mormon perspective, I’m coming to a tragically similar conclusion. Still, that doesn’t mean that we should quit all inter-faith dialogue and cease to discuss issues with mutual respect.

    Don’t mind Beck, he’s way too wound up. I understand his point about Dobson judging who is ‘Christian’ enough — personally, that’s between me and God and no one else — but I don’t understand where the shot at Catholicism came from. Especially when Mormon culture has a nasty tendency to ostracize members who don’t conform to our “ideal” image of what it means to be a Mormon.

    Comment by Aquila | May 23, 2007

  2. A couple of pretty big errors on your perception of Mormonism: There is an eternal hell (see D&C 76:84 et. al.) Mormons believe that millions upon millions who never were Mormons will experience the “beatific vision.” That’s why they baptize everyone they can for the dead (1 Cor. 15:29) and why they don’t baptize children who died in infancy. They believe that everyone who dies before the age of 8 is saved without baptism.

    Comment by friuliveneto | May 24, 2007

  3. But of course, Friuliveneto, the “hell” of Mormon theology is not the Hell of Christian theology which consists of eternal damnation and suffering- you know, the old Dante view of eternal suffering. Isn’t that correct? Also, does Mormonism claim that millions “will” live in the celestial kingdom, or just that it is possible? If I am wrong and you can point me to an authoritative document that is the Mormon equivalent of Catholic Dogma then I am most happy to be corrected. Truth is important and I do not loathe to be corrected into the truth.

    Comment by credoinunumdeum | May 24, 2007

  4. The hell of Mormonism doesn’t really match that of Dante –(we do limit our beliefs to what’s found in scripture) but it does match those descriptions found in the Bible. Our beliefs are found in our scriptures — if you classify the Bible as dogma then we’re talking similar concepts. Consider these few verses:

    “Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him. Wherefore, he saves all except them—they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment—(D&C 84:43-44)

    O the greatness of the mercy of our God, the Holy One of Israel! For he delivereth his saints from that awful monster the devil, and death, and hell, and that lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment. (2 Nephi 9:19)

    As far as how many will live in the Celestial Kingdom? How many children do you think have been born on this earth who died before the age of 8 years old? Would you think it reaches into the millions or billions? Consider this passage of LDS scripture:

    And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven. (D&C 137:10)

    As I mentioned before, Mormons also practice proxy baptism in the hope that those whom they baptize will live in the Celestial Kingdom. Of course Mormons don’t believe that the ancient Christians need to be baptized either.

    Comment by friuliveneto | May 25, 2007

  5. Thanks for the correction, friuv. I had learned what I said about hell from Mormon elders. They had told me that even the telestial kingdom is better than anything here on earth- they are just the furthest from the light of the Celestial Kingdom. But your scriptures clearly do not support that. Thanks again.

    Comment by credoinunumdeum | May 31, 2007


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